At the moment we use all of every 4 days to complete Hyjal and BT.

September first is a monday and thats our first sunwell raid.

You mean publicized? =P And we just decided that last night. Also, we raid on Wednesday and Thursday, not Friday nooblet!

Yeah I figured you didnt mean friday. I guess Magg spoiled a surprise to quell Kriket.

"Would of been nice to have been informed on Sept. 1st." - how much time did you need. thats more then a week away.

"Also, if we're doing Sunwell on the first of September. Why didn't I know about it?" - because your not an officer. which means your not high enough on the totem pole to be in the loop.

anyway, the reason i bothered to reply to this is. you had questioned about what to expect when the expansion comes out. when the expansion comes out, BC raids will die just like pre-BC raids are dead. not to say people wont run them, but not as many. people will want to get through the new content and will put aside the old to do it. some guilds may still run older content to finish up kills they didnt get. like, if we knocked out 4/6 sunwell, we may stay in there to get those other two kills, maybe not. the gear that you will get in the expansion, or atleast the gear that has been seen so far will blow away epics from BC ( lvl 75 blue weapons on par with my daggers from BT ). so there wont be much point to get the epics from those raids. another thing guilds may do or people may do. is farm BT/SWP for the legendaries. since they are, so far, the only legendaries that dont require massive chain quest to get.

As far as sunwell goes. i agree most of us would like to get in there and wreck the place or lol have the place wreck us. but you have to understand sunwell is like Naxx. it was the hardest and only the most elite players got in and were able to clear before the expansion. most didnt even try. sunwell is that way. it wont be like BT/Hyjal. we knew what we were up against there and had strats and videos to help. only the top 100 guilds out of 25k + have killed kil'jeadin. few have killed Mu'ru. to get to the eradar twins requires extreme talent and dps. however the twins have been nerfed. i have no doubt we can kill kalecgos. brutallus is possible but we need the best from everyone and one more tank with grasor gear as he hits harder then any other boss we have done. felmyst requires a shadow priest and a damn good one. the point im trying to make is not many have been in sunwell and fewer have progressed in sunwell at all. when we go we will have minimal strats and videos. minimal help and knowledge going in. so it wont be easy but i think we are up to the challenge. and would love to see us as a server first kill.

on to the roster idea. its not a bad idea. but like you said. stuff happens. we cant have a set team for that reason. and school starts in a week or two we lose some players to that. we have some that get drafted all the time. we know who those players are. we know who those are in the guild that are available to raid ( i.e. gear, lvl, skill, experiance) we have about 40 people that raid with us but out of those to get 25 people together at the same time without interuption is pretty good. to make a plan that would say these 25 people will be the main raiders and these 15 will be back up. wouldn't be feasible. people make it when they can. there is no way to predict what someone will be doing unless they say. our sign ups have been on the down side because its summer. not everyone wants to spend there summer at home. when there is so much to do out there when the weather is nice ( stupid weather in washington ). you weren't here pre-bc but imagine how hard it was to get 40 people together without interuption for those raids. blizzard actually did something good when they made 25 mans. but its still not easy to get 25 people together without interuption on several nights. fortunately, when the expansion comes. raids will have 2 settings ( gay IMO ) one for 10 man and one for 25 man making it easier to get raids together. however loot wont be as good in 10 mans.

Even the legendaries will be obsolete come level 80, except they may tie you over until the next 10 man purple stuff.

There is ample info about sunwell out there. Nothing is unknown or being kept secret. I know there are a good number of us that pretty much know every ability and raid mechanic in Sunwell like the back of our hand (Magg Im looking at you). Im sure the place is a lot of fun, too bad its only 6 bosses, Naxx had 14. As for the fights themselves, they are still mostly Naxx clones (They will be cloning that instance until the end of time) but they definitly have some major twists to warrant them in there own right.

Just go study the place this weekend. We will talk about each individual boss as we get to them. Which will probably just be one or two but who knows.

medrea, the point with the legendaries from illidan and kil'jeadin is that they dont require a huge chain to get. you can simply farm the boss for a few weeks and it will drop. name me one rogue that wouldnt want the warglaives. even as rp. or one hunter or warrior that wouldnt want the legendary bow. warriors would love it because they wouldnt have to waste bag space on ammo. hunters would love it because they dont waste a bag slot for a quiver. just because a handful of us know the jist of the fights about sunwell doesnt mean everyone else does. and everyone needs to know the fights not just select few that you think are cool. the information is out there to be found. what i mean with no help and little knowledge is only 2 guilds on our server have made it past the second boss in sunwell. ( i dont count kane's mutiny because i dont count them as a guild that has done this, they are a bunch of people that got together that cleared in different guilds. nothing more.) so we cant talk about some bosses in there with people from our server and share their knowledge and experiences. like we have done with hyjal/bt.

Sorry I cant see 25 people getting together to raid Black Temple at level 80 for RP reasons, especially considering statistically speaking it takes 1 year to farm up one set of warglaives.

show me those statistics. are those medrea statistics or actual statistics? just because it nihilum 1 year to get a warglaive doesnt mean it takes a year to get a pair. after all there are more then 15 on our server alone. at lvl 80 you wont need 25 ppl. if you do your pretty sad and shouldnt be there to begin with. just because you cant see it happen doesnt mean it wont happen. the whole point is, the warglaives and the bow are drops. much easier to acquire then the legendaries pre-bc where it took more then a year to get the items to drop that begin the quest and you may only get one of the items you need. i would much rather and im sure most would much rather kill a boss for a legendary, than farm MC for a year and not see one of the two items needed to begin a chain that will take you near 6 months to complete. and thats if you can find the mats needed to complete the quest. since most miner's now come from after bc release and havent been to BWL so they cant smelt elementium. the odds of getting a legendary from illidan or kil'jeadin are far greater then getting and 2 items that allow you to do a chain that will end up with a legendary.